Demoman
Jul 10, 09:37 PM
I entirely agree with you on these points. Apple is barely marketing iWork at all, let alone in a way which would help people understand its value. At MW last January I made a point of mentioning the Mac owner confusion over what Pages does to one of the reps on the floor who was demonstrating the new version. He also happened to be on the Pages programming team. (Which game me an opportunity to show him a bug I'd found. :))
He seemed surprised to be hearing what I was telling him, and I wasn't entirely sure he believed me in the end, but perhaps this rumor reflects some understanding on Apple's part that they're not getting the message out about these applications, particularly Pages. Maybe they'll get serious about marketing in version 3.
One other thing, I think Apple ought to be bundling iWork with most if not all of their systems, and not necessarily because we like to get free booty. The more Mac owners used iWork, the more who would see the value in forking out for the upgrades. This is exactly how Apple already markets iLife, so why they're not doing this for iWork is just plain mystifying.
That is really a sound idea. Personally, I do not mind paying the $79 for iWork, in fact it is a zero issue for me (I own Final Cut Studio, Macromedia Studio, Adobe Creative Suite, Shake, Lightwave, etc). I think establishing a user base is what Apple should be focusing on.
Migration into the business world can be a very tenuous undertaking, just ask Taligent (or Steve with Next). Having the best product does not guarantee success. In fact, the history of computers, especially PC's, is littered by the failures of superior technology. In the 80's there was a slogan among corporate computer buyers; "No one ever got fired for buying IBM". The simple truth is, corporations are usually very conservative when it comes to buying technology. Sure, there are exceptions. But, the majority has the mindset, "never put yourself in a position where you can be criticized.
I am an IT Manager and have brought in Macs on a trial basis. I convinced the technology budget oversight committee that we are better off with Mini�s, rather than Citrix thin clients. We still have to license each thin client for Office. The economics are:
Mini � Standard w/1GB RAM, iWork and Keyboard = $856.00 � before business discount
Thin - HP t5520, 64MB, Windows CE = $359 � Office Standard $335 � keyboard/mouse $75 = $769.00
With the Mini you actually have a fine computer. The thin client cannot do anything without momma. This is a very easy choice unless you have to add another ~ $400 for Mac:Office. That is why the spreadsheet is so important. I already know Pages works for the majority of my users. Any changes that make it more appealing is just that much better.
He seemed surprised to be hearing what I was telling him, and I wasn't entirely sure he believed me in the end, but perhaps this rumor reflects some understanding on Apple's part that they're not getting the message out about these applications, particularly Pages. Maybe they'll get serious about marketing in version 3.
One other thing, I think Apple ought to be bundling iWork with most if not all of their systems, and not necessarily because we like to get free booty. The more Mac owners used iWork, the more who would see the value in forking out for the upgrades. This is exactly how Apple already markets iLife, so why they're not doing this for iWork is just plain mystifying.
That is really a sound idea. Personally, I do not mind paying the $79 for iWork, in fact it is a zero issue for me (I own Final Cut Studio, Macromedia Studio, Adobe Creative Suite, Shake, Lightwave, etc). I think establishing a user base is what Apple should be focusing on.
Migration into the business world can be a very tenuous undertaking, just ask Taligent (or Steve with Next). Having the best product does not guarantee success. In fact, the history of computers, especially PC's, is littered by the failures of superior technology. In the 80's there was a slogan among corporate computer buyers; "No one ever got fired for buying IBM". The simple truth is, corporations are usually very conservative when it comes to buying technology. Sure, there are exceptions. But, the majority has the mindset, "never put yourself in a position where you can be criticized.
I am an IT Manager and have brought in Macs on a trial basis. I convinced the technology budget oversight committee that we are better off with Mini�s, rather than Citrix thin clients. We still have to license each thin client for Office. The economics are:
Mini � Standard w/1GB RAM, iWork and Keyboard = $856.00 � before business discount
Thin - HP t5520, 64MB, Windows CE = $359 � Office Standard $335 � keyboard/mouse $75 = $769.00
With the Mini you actually have a fine computer. The thin client cannot do anything without momma. This is a very easy choice unless you have to add another ~ $400 for Mac:Office. That is why the spreadsheet is so important. I already know Pages works for the majority of my users. Any changes that make it more appealing is just that much better.
theBB
Jul 21, 12:13 PM
I didn't buy my Mac to be popular and I don't particularly care that lots of people are (or are not) using them. It's just an irrelevant metric to me.
Neither did I, but more market share means more software developers and more apps. That's the only reason I care.
Neither did I, but more market share means more software developers and more apps. That's the only reason I care.
wmk461
Jan 30, 02:02 AM
[QUOTE=stevegmu;4858043]
"Do you even have any idea when the last time the US was on the Gold Standard?"
1971 Nixon stated that gold could no longer be traded in for currency. It was the last step which ended the real value of money. Money is NOT, backed by gold, or any other precious metal but is instead, backed by faith. The money is, in other words, as good as people believe it is good.
"If 100% of our income tax pays off the interest on the Debt, how then does the government operate?"
The government operates through property taxes, state taxes, education tax, toll booths -which are owned by foreign countries - this supports our infrastructure. The federal government uses 100% of our tax to pay interest to banks on money which is loaned... hence our astronomical debt. Most people believe that the Federal Reserve is owned and operated by the Government. In actuality European Banks own the federal reserve thanks to Roosevelt and any money that is printed is not controlled by the American Government. We borrow money to fund our wars, run our military, pay our politicians and then we the tax our citizens to pay the interest on the borrowed money. JFK tried to abolish the Federal Reserve and failed and now Ron Paul is calling for the same action.
"Most people have taken out equity loans and maxed out their credit? Please."
Take a look what is happening in Nevada and Detroit... A lot of people cannot afford the American lifestyle and the average middle class American would be living on the streets in 3-6 months of loosing their jobs as most barely have enough in their banks saved to live off of.
"America is still a manufacturing giant. Our exports to China were up 21% last quarter."
Ironically just like apple most companies have their products made in China, India, or Mexico and then import them/assemble and then export the goods. The united States does not have natural resource assets such as Canada and as our dollar decreases in value the further in the whole we get with our national debt.... which by the way surpasses the entire combined debt of every other country in the world.
"There are more middle class Americans today than in any other point in history."
Middle Class with little to no savings and astronomical debt. In 1961 the average cost of a house was 18,000 while the average middle class income was 12,000. The average new vehicle cost 2,000. About two years the average price of a new home was 275,000 and the average price of a new vehicle was 24,000 while the average income was around 32,000. Yes these averages are subjective, but it gives you an idea of where we are when we lost gold as a standard.... currency then becomes controlled by banks through interest which results in inflation.
"Why do you think a weak dollar is bad?" Sure, there may be some inflation, however, a weak dollar is good for exports and tourism. Take a look at Boeing vs. Airbus, as it relates to the devaluation of the dollar. There's a reason China artificially keeps their currency devalued."
A weak dollar is bad because other countries realize the amount of debt we have. Our President spent more money in the first half of his term than all presidents combined. This money was borrowed and we the tax payers are now accountable for it. Countries around the world are loosing faith in our dollar. Opec was greeted with several countries a few weeks ago demanding that oil stop being traded in US dollars. We are lucky that Saudia Arabia refused as this would have caused huge economic instability. Take a look at what happened to the Germans in WWW II when they over extended themselves... a loaf of bread was payed for with a wheel barrow full of coins. I am not preaching fear... it is simple common sense for the educated and the aware. The wise will be able to get rich when our market collapses others will be in line at the soup kitchen.
"Somehow, I doubt you have a dime invested in the market..."
I do not need to share my personal portfolio with you but you are right. I took all of my money out of stocks in November as I knew what was coming and what is to come. I am not going argue my point of view any further. Open your eyes to the world and wake up - do some research beyond Fox News!
"Do you even have any idea when the last time the US was on the Gold Standard?"
1971 Nixon stated that gold could no longer be traded in for currency. It was the last step which ended the real value of money. Money is NOT, backed by gold, or any other precious metal but is instead, backed by faith. The money is, in other words, as good as people believe it is good.
"If 100% of our income tax pays off the interest on the Debt, how then does the government operate?"
The government operates through property taxes, state taxes, education tax, toll booths -which are owned by foreign countries - this supports our infrastructure. The federal government uses 100% of our tax to pay interest to banks on money which is loaned... hence our astronomical debt. Most people believe that the Federal Reserve is owned and operated by the Government. In actuality European Banks own the federal reserve thanks to Roosevelt and any money that is printed is not controlled by the American Government. We borrow money to fund our wars, run our military, pay our politicians and then we the tax our citizens to pay the interest on the borrowed money. JFK tried to abolish the Federal Reserve and failed and now Ron Paul is calling for the same action.
"Most people have taken out equity loans and maxed out their credit? Please."
Take a look what is happening in Nevada and Detroit... A lot of people cannot afford the American lifestyle and the average middle class American would be living on the streets in 3-6 months of loosing their jobs as most barely have enough in their banks saved to live off of.
"America is still a manufacturing giant. Our exports to China were up 21% last quarter."
Ironically just like apple most companies have their products made in China, India, or Mexico and then import them/assemble and then export the goods. The united States does not have natural resource assets such as Canada and as our dollar decreases in value the further in the whole we get with our national debt.... which by the way surpasses the entire combined debt of every other country in the world.
"There are more middle class Americans today than in any other point in history."
Middle Class with little to no savings and astronomical debt. In 1961 the average cost of a house was 18,000 while the average middle class income was 12,000. The average new vehicle cost 2,000. About two years the average price of a new home was 275,000 and the average price of a new vehicle was 24,000 while the average income was around 32,000. Yes these averages are subjective, but it gives you an idea of where we are when we lost gold as a standard.... currency then becomes controlled by banks through interest which results in inflation.
"Why do you think a weak dollar is bad?" Sure, there may be some inflation, however, a weak dollar is good for exports and tourism. Take a look at Boeing vs. Airbus, as it relates to the devaluation of the dollar. There's a reason China artificially keeps their currency devalued."
A weak dollar is bad because other countries realize the amount of debt we have. Our President spent more money in the first half of his term than all presidents combined. This money was borrowed and we the tax payers are now accountable for it. Countries around the world are loosing faith in our dollar. Opec was greeted with several countries a few weeks ago demanding that oil stop being traded in US dollars. We are lucky that Saudia Arabia refused as this would have caused huge economic instability. Take a look at what happened to the Germans in WWW II when they over extended themselves... a loaf of bread was payed for with a wheel barrow full of coins. I am not preaching fear... it is simple common sense for the educated and the aware. The wise will be able to get rich when our market collapses others will be in line at the soup kitchen.
"Somehow, I doubt you have a dime invested in the market..."
I do not need to share my personal portfolio with you but you are right. I took all of my money out of stocks in November as I knew what was coming and what is to come. I am not going argue my point of view any further. Open your eyes to the world and wake up - do some research beyond Fox News!
-aggie-
Apr 26, 06:55 PM
I have no idea what happened except Plutonius got lynched and isn't a WW. Are Chrmjenkins and Appleguy 321/123 okay? Are they Specials? I can't tell if I'm on the Detention Level of a Star Destroyer or on the bridge of the Enterprise D. :confused::confused:
Okay, the doofus act has to end. :D
I still don't know why I'm being considered a wolf
Bunnies. You take away the bun, which leaves nies. Therefore, you must be a WW. Understand?
The stories are best read when hi/drunk/tripping. appleguy and chrmjenkins' prominaint stance in the narritivies does not reflect their in game roles. Actually, I wrote up the first narrative then assigned the roles via random.org.
Based on the narrative, I don’t exist. :)
Okay, the doofus act has to end. :D
I still don't know why I'm being considered a wolf
Bunnies. You take away the bun, which leaves nies. Therefore, you must be a WW. Understand?
The stories are best read when hi/drunk/tripping. appleguy and chrmjenkins' prominaint stance in the narritivies does not reflect their in game roles. Actually, I wrote up the first narrative then assigned the roles via random.org.
Based on the narrative, I don’t exist. :)
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Tanguyvd
Apr 1, 09:17 AM
Someone mentioned the Windows 3.1 calendar?
http://www.sptv.demon.co.uk/calendar/calendar1.gif
oh yes, this totally nails it! :D
i kind of like the new UI, however, i do more like the lay-out
not so much the torn paper edges and faux-leather...
i truly hope switching back to "classic" view is still there...
http://www.sptv.demon.co.uk/calendar/calendar1.gif
oh yes, this totally nails it! :D
i kind of like the new UI, however, i do more like the lay-out
not so much the torn paper edges and faux-leather...
i truly hope switching back to "classic" view is still there...
satkin2
Apr 26, 02:26 PM
Until this speculation is confirmed and Apple reveal what their plans really are, I'll reserve judgement on whether this is value for money or not. But it wouldn't surprise me if they do charge something. To not charge would mean adverts, I'd rather pay a small premium, much like a do with Mobile Me than have adverts. Each to their own though.
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VictoriaStudent
Feb 1, 12:40 AM
So we have...
-A few porn stars
-A Ferrari
-A briefcase of cocaine
-Excessive alcohol consumption
-A $30,000 check to a porn star
...how is this any different than 'Two and a Half Men'?
I love this man.
yeah, awesome bro....that is, if your idea of the 'net begins & ends with /b/
-A few porn stars
-A Ferrari
-A briefcase of cocaine
-Excessive alcohol consumption
-A $30,000 check to a porn star
...how is this any different than 'Two and a Half Men'?
I love this man.
yeah, awesome bro....that is, if your idea of the 'net begins & ends with /b/
creator2456
Jan 29, 08:15 AM
Saw 127 Hours then went to Texas Roadhouse for the girlfriends birthday. I'm still squirming from the 'scene' and stuffed from the food.
http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/127-Hours-Review.jpg
http://www.coupondad.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Texas_Roadhouse_Logo.gif
http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/127-Hours-Review.jpg
http://www.coupondad.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Texas_Roadhouse_Logo.gif
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Shadow
Jul 21, 11:14 AM
New PowerBooks next Tuesday!!! :D :p
splashnader
Jan 30, 08:40 PM
I really like that bag! Very nice.
Just had Five Guys with my brother. No one in my family but me takes him there. It's become our thing :)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/5090304078_9d874f65fa.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/heyjuliette/5090304078/)
I love their fries. That picture makes me want a burger and I just ate. :p
Just had Five Guys with my brother. No one in my family but me takes him there. It's become our thing :)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/5090304078_9d874f65fa.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/heyjuliette/5090304078/)
I love their fries. That picture makes me want a burger and I just ate. :p
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kirk26
Apr 14, 02:30 PM
Lies, someone always says this with every update. The animations are still often laggy.
Wow, just wow man. Not everyone has the same issues.
Wow, just wow man. Not everyone has the same issues.
e2ka
Jul 24, 04:00 PM
I like my Logitech G5, which ships with two battery packs and a USB recharger, so that I am never stuck with a wireless mouse without batteries. Wish the new Mighty Mouse would do this, it would have the added benefit that it uses Bluetooth and not RF so I could lose the dongle.
I suppose I could use a standard AA battery recharger. I haven't seen one in use since about 10 years ago and they never used to be very good...
The other thing is that the Logitech mouse is a laser mouse, which is the only thing that works on my glossy white desk surface. I like the mighty mouse look and design but it won't work on my desk. (No I don't want a mousepad)
I suppose I could use a standard AA battery recharger. I haven't seen one in use since about 10 years ago and they never used to be very good...
The other thing is that the Logitech mouse is a laser mouse, which is the only thing that works on my glossy white desk surface. I like the mighty mouse look and design but it won't work on my desk. (No I don't want a mousepad)
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MacVault
Nov 4, 06:28 AM
That native partion support to use virtualization or dual booting would be awesome, having the best of both worlds (Boot Camp & Virtualization). I look forward to it!
YES! That would be sweeeeet!
YES! That would be sweeeeet!
RawBert
Dec 29, 11:12 AM
I feel sorry for her toilet.
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Ben Logan
Mar 31, 08:22 PM
Heinous. Absolutely hideous.
And I'm a fan of eye candy.
The faux leather is almost as bad as this "Marble" OS X mockup, from back in the day:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3392/3333642840_d905e48e47_o.jpg
And I'm a fan of eye candy.
The faux leather is almost as bad as this "Marble" OS X mockup, from back in the day:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3392/3333642840_d905e48e47_o.jpg
maclaptop
Apr 28, 10:19 PM
Does Apple's website specs show this?
EDIT. Nope. Still 9.3 mm thin
Apple "overlooked" the fact that there is a slight difference due to the improved antenna.
Oops, that wasn't supposed to be mentioned.
Forget you just read that. :)
EDIT. Nope. Still 9.3 mm thin
Apple "overlooked" the fact that there is a slight difference due to the improved antenna.
Oops, that wasn't supposed to be mentioned.
Forget you just read that. :)
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Arran
Dec 29, 11:19 AM
She's obviously anorexic: Every time she looks in the mirror she sees a fat person. :)
Chupa Chupa
Oct 23, 03:00 PM
This all seems much ado about nothing. Clearly it looks like M$ is showing us how greedy they can be but look at the facts:
From what I've seen of Vista editions, Starter, Home Basic, and Home Premium are pretty much crippled.
Vista Business is $199 for the upgrade. I'm betting the OEM version will be priced similarly. Only a fool would go buy the full retail version. The OEM works fine.
VirtualPC sold for about $ 250. Parallels + Vista Biz is going to be about the same price.
$199 seems a lot for an upgrade, but keep in mind that M$ doesn't do major upgrades very often. So it's not like Apple where we have to put out $125 every 18 months or so.
If you really don't want to spend $199 on Vista Biz then buy Home Basic for $99 and use Boot Camp. Since Boot Camp isn't a virtualization Win can't get on your backs about that.
Still remains to be seen how Win will know if you are using virtualization software. Certain expect to see hacks that will make Vista think it's running on a true PC.
From what I've seen of Vista editions, Starter, Home Basic, and Home Premium are pretty much crippled.
Vista Business is $199 for the upgrade. I'm betting the OEM version will be priced similarly. Only a fool would go buy the full retail version. The OEM works fine.
VirtualPC sold for about $ 250. Parallels + Vista Biz is going to be about the same price.
$199 seems a lot for an upgrade, but keep in mind that M$ doesn't do major upgrades very often. So it's not like Apple where we have to put out $125 every 18 months or so.
If you really don't want to spend $199 on Vista Biz then buy Home Basic for $99 and use Boot Camp. Since Boot Camp isn't a virtualization Win can't get on your backs about that.
Still remains to be seen how Win will know if you are using virtualization software. Certain expect to see hacks that will make Vista think it's running on a true PC.
MarximusMG
Apr 22, 06:40 PM
My money is still on it being the same form factor as iPhone 4. This design still has plenty of life left in it.
maclaptop
Apr 12, 06:08 PM
Breaking news, iPhone 5 to come out within the next 10 years :rolleyes:
Oh boy, and here I was expecting it in only 9 years. I guess that rumor was wrong. :)
Oh boy, and here I was expecting it in only 9 years. I guess that rumor was wrong. :)
leekohler
Mar 11, 04:42 PM
who's charlie sheen?
You, I suppose. ;)
You, I suppose. ;)
Perrumpo
Jun 16, 10:33 AM
haha, this makes it onto MR?
My little cousin purchased $2,820.75 from the app store on an iPod Touch. And Apple wasn't going to refund any of it until a transcript from an internal chat was somehow included in a email to my Aunt that consisted of very rude talk behind her back.
I have the emails, but my aunt and uncle aren't finished with the fiasco with Apple's legal team, so I can't show them.
My little cousin purchased $2,820.75 from the app store on an iPod Touch. And Apple wasn't going to refund any of it until a transcript from an internal chat was somehow included in a email to my Aunt that consisted of very rude talk behind her back.
I have the emails, but my aunt and uncle aren't finished with the fiasco with Apple's legal team, so I can't show them.
0815
Apr 14, 07:00 AM
It must be for the new rumored Apple branded TV since it supports the Popcorn maker ... make Popcorn on your TV while watching a movie !
velocityg4
Dec 29, 03:41 PM
I feel sorry for her toilet.
When one starts approaching the weight of worlds fattest person they can no longer get to the toilet. So I feel sorry for the person with bed pan duty:eek::eek::eek:.
When one starts approaching the weight of worlds fattest person they can no longer get to the toilet. So I feel sorry for the person with bed pan duty:eek::eek::eek:.
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